—“You will not find some emotional appeal for heroism therein. Heroism is not mere emotionalism, but a state of deep detachment, the sovereign psychology.”— Josh.
Thats dominance, not heroism. That’s Excellence as an expression of dominance.
Heroism cannot exist without a commons to benefit from the hero.
- It may be true that heroism is merely the reward for dominance on behalf of the tribe.
- It may be true that heroic status is merely compensation for breaking the ingroup moral bias against what would otherwise be interpreted as ‘dangerous’ displays of dominance. In other words, it may be true that heroism is a means of insuring the dominant that they will be free of retribution by ingroup members, by reversing the prohibition on dominance.
- It may be excuse making by the population as a means of defense against dangerous displays of dominance.
- You might be correct in that its dominance not heroism that inspires, and heroic status is merely a reward.
- You might be correct in that heroism provides training for the young in the appropriate uses of dominance. (This is my interpretation).
In this sense your statement is correct: That 1) we seek to be free of the evolutionary norm that inhibits our desire for alpha dominance, and 2) that heroism is a normative institution that justifies the mature, and incentivizes the young, and limits uses and abuses to those that benefit the commons (ingroup members).
But you cannot conflate heroism, with dominance as you have done above.
So since dominance exists in all cultures, but only the west has constructed a (universal) heroic society, where the incentive to apply dominance is constantly rewarded, and heroism is a pedagogical means of channeling it to good uses, and punishing it for bad uses, then I think we can come to agreement.
It just took me overnight to think it through. I knew you were not so much wrong as not using the right language because conflation is natural to you, but if we agree that heroism is value/virtue that we train so that we do not need to suppress dominance, but instead, FOCUS dominance, so that we are a more competitive ‘tribe’ then I think we can agree that almost all men of ability seek to excercise their dominance just as much as a beautiful woman seeks to exercise hers so to speak.
If you had not written this post I would not have been able to put this question in to words, so yet again, I have to thank you for your insights and criticism, which over the past few years has been extremely helpful and influential.
I guess in this sense, the heroic tradition is our central ‘teaching’. “Your dominance is an asset to the tribe so long as it is channeled for the tribe’s benefit. And if we channel all our men’s dominance rather than suppress it, then we are concentrating a scarce and valuable resource into a constant evolutionary cycle.”
This plays into the argument that we develop faster than the rest because we do not seek to limit our people by limiting what they can do, only limiting what they cannot do. Most tribes do the opposite: they create rules of repetitive conduct (for stupid creatures) that focus effort in static directions, rather than focusing efforts of men in innovative and creative directions.
So through heroism (training for competition) and through dominance, and reward for ‘good cunning’ and punishment for ‘bad cunning’, and through the enfranchisement of all who will fight, we create a constant stream of predators at-the-ready in constant competition with one another, producing constant innovations in war, politics, industry, family, craft, and arts.
And this is why heroism (encouraging the mastery of dominance) is so effective a strategy: it creates a market (calculator) for excellence in dominance.
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— Original Post from Josh —
After studying Aryan traditions more, it’s become increasingly clear to me what I was always suspecting would happen.
You will not find some emotional appeal for heroism therein. Heroism is not mere emotionalism, but a state of deep detachment, the sovereign psychology.
I understand you want methods for class collaboration; you want inspiration for the working class, but the Aryan mind doesn’t play that game. Such appeals to emotionalism would themselves lead to petty attachment.
Instead, this mind simply does what is necessary—katam karaniyam—without regret, hesitation, or feeling. This impersonal action would also concern policing the classes, but any downward inspiration would be indirect and secondary.
Thus, very much opposite of considering the ancient Aryan traditions as silly hokum for the less bright, they were the highest form of consciousness and represent the missing raison d’être that was plaguing your scientistic system.
Regarding what we do to inspire the working class, we can consult Evola and Nietzsche, who both believed these men of lesser consciousness (the telluric, the lunar, the Catholic) inherently can only behold these higher states in fractured ways, as separated salvationist divinities, and the avatars of these divinities are heroic men past and present.
So, this would be the skeleton of my synthesis and how I solve your problem. Catholic Traditionalism, as it did at the time, can be a method of organizing women and lower men around higher men, but it’s very important to understand that that isn’t the only spiritual dynamic going on. It won’t work if that’s all you have; the lower classes will orient around their myopic perception of spirituality if there isn’t authentic divinity in their presence, which requires the heroic, which is only produced by the Olympian, which is as I said the missing “soul” of your system.
So, being that some of this isn’t your first choice of study, I’ll recap:
1: Aryan traditions are not an appeal to the lower classes, but are the ‘why’ of why someone would commit themselves to the heroic ‘aristocratic’ deeds (deep sovereignty, authenticity, detachment).
2: There are grades of ‘spirits’ in Evola’s work, just as Nietzsche theorized personhood was inherently an aristocratic phenomenon, with few people possessing deep authenticity. Understanding this, if we want to know what interfaces with the lower tiers, we must study the spiritual schools that occur there (telluric animism < lunar salvationism < Catholic Traditionalism < Olympian Aryan).
3: The main takeaway for you is that the Aryan traditions are not mere tools for your scientistic system, but the very psychology that animates its most involved functions, which is why it’s not accurate to even look at these traditions as ‘religions’, really. They aren’t escapist or Platonic, but completely holistic. For an expansion on that, I’ll use Jünger’s brother.